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The Alternate Universe Launches in Prime Time

The Republican convention is here. It's like watching an alternate universe. Who are these people and where did they come from? Who do they think they represent? Certainly not Americans or American values.

Melania Trump makes her debut tonight. The whole thing should be called the Trump family hour. It feels like an episode of the Apprentice except for the annoying pundits and news anchors with nothing to say. Tomorrow night, Trump's daughter with 2nd wife Marla Maples gets to speak. Who could possibly care what she has to say? And of course, we'll hear from Ivanka, Eric and Donald Jr. Why not let the nannies who raised them speak too? How about George from the Appentice? Maybe Ivana Trump has something to say. [More...]

There's a dearth of real celebrities willing to associate with Trump, so they've reached to the C list and back in time. They are trotting out Rudy Giuliani.

Newt Gingrich today told Sean Hannity he hoped Trump makes Rudy Giuliani Secretary of Homeland Security. Hanity's next guest was none other than Bernie Kerik, Giuliani's police chief whose world came crashing down after Bush nominated him for Homeland Security chief without vetting him and he had to withdraw from consideration, Rudy Giuliani dropped him like a hot potato and he ended up with a four year prison sentence after pleading guilty to criminal charges. He's out now, and commenting on gun laws and security issues. I suspect we'll be hearing from Mark Furman soon.

Hannity, Fox and Republicans love anything law and order, no matter how they misused their positions. All day they called the murder of local police "assassinations." and belittled Obama's comments about disparity in the criminal justice system. As if life is like an episode of Law and Order where the cops can do no wrong.

Not for me. I'd much rather watch the gran finale of Senor de los Cielos -- at 8, 9 and 11 pm -- than listen to a bunch of has-been, fact-challenged Republicans spout statistics they pull from a hat.

Also today, according to the captivate gizmo in my office elevator, Gingrich called Jeb Bush and his family "sore losers" for not attending the convention. I also heard him tell Hannity Hillary is the most corrupt politician of all time and Chris Christie should be made Attorney General. Is Newt holding out for Secretary of State?

Here's a thread for Thump, the convention and Cleveland. Please put any comments on police killings or whether we need gun control in an open thread, unless they reference remarks made at the convention.

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  • If you want (5.00 / 3) (#2)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jul 18, 2016 at 09:06:12 PM EST
    to see how dark and ugly the GOP is these days it is on full display. Also crazy is on full display with conspiracy theories.

    Does anyone remember ... (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by FreakyBeaky on Mon Jul 18, 2016 at 09:27:19 PM EST
    ... a Repuican (hell, any) convention that looked this ... cheap and run down? I'm used to thinking of the Republican Party as the party of wealth and social order, and of maintaining appearances. Nice suits and trophy wives, on schedule and polished. But this ... I mean it just looks third rate, tired and sad. Not like a real political party.

    Definitely (none / 0) (#31)
    by sallywally on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 01:21:33 AM EST
    not up to the Reaqan standard...

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    Reagan was just as substanceless (none / 0) (#141)
    by jondee on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 01:25:54 PM EST
    if not moreso, with maybe higher production values and more irrational exuberance..

    Like a pile of cotton candy and misty Hallmark greeting cards the size of the great pyramid at Cheops.

     

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    That's kind of what I meant (5.00 / 1) (#188)
    by sallywally on Wed Jul 20, 2016 at 10:08:22 AM EST
    in an ironic way: The Reagans pulled off the surface presentation well. The Trump family can't begin to do that. The substance was awful, but the smoothness and glitter of the Reagans and their presentations was notable. They seemed presidential -- on the surface. And Nancy would eat Melania for breakfast. Of course they were a disaster for the country, something I can attest to in my personal finances.

    Parent
    Empty seats everywhere too (none / 0) (#44)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 08:03:50 AM EST
    OMFG (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 18, 2016 at 09:44:52 PM EST
    Tweety thinks Rudy was the greatest thing EVAH.

    JUST LIKE THE BOGART CHARACTER IN CASABLANCA.

    yeah, Matthews, like a character in Casablanca but not the Bogart character.

    Holy hell.


    Everybody (5.00 / 3) (#6)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jul 18, 2016 at 09:51:46 PM EST
    else seemed to be saying that Rudy was completely unhinged.

    Parent
    Tweety has been out of his (5.00 / 2) (#22)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jul 18, 2016 at 11:16:32 PM EST
    Mind since Trump announced Pence. He's been frothing and uncontrollably tingling since, and can we please get him replaced with someone reporting news instead trying to create news? He really made me sick during the Pence announcement.

    Parent
    He does seem to be sinking (none / 0) (#50)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 08:54:04 AM EST
    It's like the management said 'we have actual Leftie anchors now so you can stop trying to act like one'

    Parent
    More like the... (none / 0) (#8)
    by desertswine on Mon Jul 18, 2016 at 09:55:04 PM EST
    Or (none / 0) (#10)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 18, 2016 at 09:59:51 PM EST
    Major Hochstetter (none / 0) (#14)
    by MKS on Mon Jul 18, 2016 at 10:06:17 PM EST
    of Hogan's Heroes.

    Link.

    Parent

    Tweety has a fetish (none / 0) (#11)
    by MKS on Mon Jul 18, 2016 at 10:00:53 PM EST
    for tough-talking, seemingly macho  Easterners.  Not a good barometer.

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    Especially (none / 0) (#12)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 18, 2016 at 10:03:49 PM EST
    Catholic ones.

    Parent
    Yes, Pence (none / 0) (#58)
    by KeysDan on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 09:13:11 AM EST
    was once a Catholic, even thinking of becoming a priest at one time (maybe, an explanation for some of his obsessive ideas).  But, he left that behind sometime during College to become a Christian Evangelist. Catholicism wasn't doing it for him, allegedly.

    Parent
    It's (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 18, 2016 at 10:11:39 PM EST
    This whole idea (5.00 / 2) (#19)
    by MKS on Mon Jul 18, 2016 at 10:19:48 PM EST
    that Hillary is not tough enough on foreign policy is pretty weak tea when everyone knows she is more hawkish than Obama.

    The real concern is that she would press the pedal to the metal.

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    Saw 30 seconds of that (5.00 / 2) (#33)
    by ruffian on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 05:20:17 AM EST
    Went to bed laughing because she was giving her speech to the cleanup crew. Woke up to the Melania plagiarism news.

    Hope the rest of the week is this funny.

    Parent

    I couldn't watch more than bits and pieces (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by ruffian on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 05:36:54 AM EST
    it just seemed insane, and I didn't even see Guiliani.

    I listened to that sheriff while I was making (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by ruffian on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 06:25:30 AM EST
    dinner. Sometimes I wonder what country these people are describing. We just had a mass shooting 10 miles from my house and I am not nearly as frightened as he apparently is.

    Then they introduced the ex-militray speaker, and I turned it off because I really did not want to thinks so harshly of a veteran. Bad enough the shooters in Dallas and NO were vets. I am truly frightened of what we are doing to these men.

    Parent

    Sheriff Clarke is wacko (5.00 / 2) (#172)
    by Towanda on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 04:07:29 PM EST
    as well I know.

    And weirdest is that none of the media noted, about him speaking at the GOP convention, that he always runs as a Democrat.  (It's the only way to win the city of Milwaukee vote.  The wingnuts in the county's burbs recognize and love his rightwingery.)

    At least he didn't come down the aisle on one of his white horses.  (The county has to pay for four.)  And wearing a white cowboy hat.  He loves a parade.

    Parent

    I believe (none / 0) (#184)
    by jbindc on Wed Jul 20, 2016 at 04:47:37 AM EST
    Clarke appearing at a political convention (and speaking) while in iniform violates either the city or state Code of Ethics.

    Parent
    Don Lemon from CNN (5.00 / 1) (#186)
    by fishcamp on Wed Jul 20, 2016 at 08:37:33 AM EST
    finally kicked sheriff Clarke off his show for ranting, and not shutting up.  This happened on Monday

    Parent
    Chris (5.00 / 1) (#187)
    by FlJoe on Wed Jul 20, 2016 at 09:18:25 AM EST
    Cuomo steps up to the plate  
    CNN's Chris Cuomo calls Trump's campaign chair a liar right to his face
    maybe there is hope.

    Parent
    There is no state code of ethics (5.00 / 1) (#189)
    by Towanda on Wed Jul 20, 2016 at 11:27:28 AM EST
    enforceable anymore in Walker's Wisconsin.  He abolished the GAB aka Government Accountability Board, a few weeks ago.  Nobody elsewhere noticed?  Yeh, a media fail.  Too typical.

    (And the city code of ethics does not apply; note my distinction between city and county voters -- because sheriffs are county officials.  That is not just in Wisconsin.)

    Parent

    Apropos: (none / 0) (#48)
    by Nemi on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 08:39:39 AM EST
    Hillary Clinton, her campaign and ad-people are on a roll.

    To pick just one of the many 'zingers'. :)

    Parent

    Trump Mental State (5.00 / 2) (#39)
    by Ladyjustice on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 07:00:05 AM EST
    Do you think any television mainstream news media outlet will say what David Brooks said in his recent op-ed:

    "This is a unique moment in American political history in which the mental stability of one of the major party nominees is the dominating subject of conversation."

    My post back in June re HRC v. DJT:

    "Watched excerpts of Trump retort to HRC foreign policy speech.  She said she would leave it to psychiatrists to explain . . . .  And earlier in the campaign, Candidate Jeb Bush said, Trump "needs therapy" . . . .   "He cannot seem to remember what he has said, and constantly repeats himself -- his stories keep changing?  . . . .  After watching tonight, I am more convinced than ever that he is suffering from dementia or some delusional disorder.  Please will a psychiatrist come forward and comment.  His behavior is irrational."

    Which corporate television news outlet will have the guts to say this on live television.  NO, all we get is false equivalency.  Or as Paul Krugman relates, "bothsidesism" * -- or maintaining their treasured balance by devoting equal time" only to later realize, that no; GOP drum beat of balance, favors them.  "In fact, surveys show that Mrs. Clinton has, overall, received much more negative coverage than her opponent."

    Instead of DJT "could win," false equivalency, or bothsidesism, and HRC neck and neck with DJT in the polls, will someone loudly ask:   how can DJT win if he is NOT favored by women, African Americans, Hispanics, gays, or the military?

    *the almost pathological determination to portray politicians and their programs as being equally good or equally bad, no matter how ludicrous that pretense becomes."


    David Brooks, (none / 0) (#65)
    by KeysDan on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 09:25:28 AM EST
    the Conservative Republican has been underwhelmed by Trump, but the cited article goes to Trump's "good brain" being so in total, just maybe, but it seems to be in loose parts, floating aimlessly in cerebral-spinal fluid. A Brooks' example: "Does anybody else have the sense that Donald Trump is slipping off the rails?"

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    Kudos (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by KeysDan on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 07:30:39 AM EST
    to all who had the stomach to watch the Republican Convention.  For me, no knock-offs.  I settled in with the History Channel's Rise and Fall of Hitler.

    Always best to go to the original source material (4.00 / 3) (#55)
    by ruffian on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 09:07:16 AM EST
    Comparisons to Hitler, as well as (2.00 / 1) (#66)
    by Peter G on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 09:25:54 AM EST
    Nazi-related "jokes," are all far off limits, in my opinion. And counter-productive, if your goal is to call out Trump for his demagoguery. Your point of view may differ.

    Parent
    My point of view does differ, Peter G, (none / 0) (#74)
    by KeysDan on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 10:10:57 AM EST
    as does many historians. As one of the signers of the Open Letter, "Historians Against Trump", Renate Bidenthal, writes in the NYTimes Letters, "As a historian of Germany, I found our letter much too mild.  Historians are responsible for the collective memory of peoples, and just like individuals with memories of past trauma, we are obliged to shout "stop" when we see familiar signs of coming disaster."  

    While I associate myself with Professor Bidenthal's concern, I also appreciate worries that such language may trivialize The Third Reich horrors. However, the demagoguery is eerily reminiscent. No one knows for sure where Trump's impulsive bluster and repulsive ego would take this country. But, he is not the first to promise to make a country hate again to receptive and resentful followers.

    The Republican platform should be a harbinger: Anti-Muslim, protectionist, nativist, retrograde social positions on women's health, requiring the Bible to be taught in public schools, religion as a guide to law making, family values judges, rejecting gun control, barring female soldiers from combat, and denial of all rights to gay men and women, including repudiation of same sex marriage and the right of merchants to deny services. The transgendered are, well. ..in trouble.

     Of course, an endearing quality of Trump by his followers is that he tells it like it is: Mexicans are rapists, for example, and we need a wall.  Possible Implementation of this demagoguery warrants the mining of history to guide the future.  

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    We were probably more on right track (5.00 / 2) (#133)
    by jondee on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 01:13:32 PM EST
    when people evoked Huey Long and George Wallace.

    Long for the charismatic demogoguery and Wallace for the 21st century Right's relentless dogwhistling and manipulation of the emotions of the white conservative working class.

    Parent

    Well, (none / 0) (#139)
    by KeysDan on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 01:20:30 PM EST
    I'll compromise: il Duce.  Although, based on Trump's Pence fiasco, the decider has a little bit of the man from Elsinore in him.

    Parent
    Manafort sez this plagiarism stuff is nuts (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 09:05:48 AM EST
    They hired a ghost famous writer for her.  Jason Blair.

    I thought it was (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by jbindc on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 09:26:34 AM EST
    Milli Vanilli

    C'mon girl, you know it's true...

    Parent

    Star power (5.00 / 1) (#90)
    by Yman on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 11:21:20 AM EST
    Someone was just warning in another thread about the effect that these celebrity endorsements would have for Trump's campaign.

    Antonio Sabàto Jr. and Scott Baio???

    Oooffffff ...

    Their endorsements... (5.00 / 2) (#99)
    by kdog on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 11:30:33 AM EST
    might have helped...Reagan...in 1984! lol

    Parent
    Hey (5.00 / 1) (#100)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 11:31:12 AM EST
    Duck Dynasty dude.   Just sayin.  

    Then there is Bob Dole.  And he's still conscious.

    Parent

    Omg (5.00 / 2) (#102)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 11:35:50 AM EST
    Dole is "talking" to Andrea Mitchell.   It's honestly sad they are putting this poor confused old fossil out to defend them.   Cause the got nothin else.  

    Parent
    Oh, I totally agree that any such accusation (5.00 / 3) (#143)
    by Peter G on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 01:37:39 PM EST
    would be baseless and unfair. I did not make the accusation, and wouldn't. I was pointing out that the Right Wing seizes upon such things and twists them out of context and contrary to their obvious meaning (as you did with Michelle's "proud of my country" remark), and thus could only imagine the reaction if a member of the Obama or Clinton family were to use the same ("your country") expression.

    Both sides do it. (none / 0) (#163)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 03:22:26 PM EST
    When I was a young man I was convinced that all the problems of the world could be solved by better communication between people, groups, countries.

    The collapse of the Soviet Union seemed to verify that. It was sex, drugs and rock and roll as much as star wars.

    Now it appears that the more we get to know each other the more we hate and divide into small groups. Facebook may turn out to be a very bad thing.

    Parent

    A sudden"overriding fear" of terrorists (5.00 / 1) (#175)
    by jondee on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 05:17:12 PM EST
    after we'd already established bases on the Arabian peninsula, invaded Iraq and Afghanistan and bombed Libya..

    It was a little late at that point for anyone to have overriding fears of making terrorists mad at us..

    After obsessing about Benghazi for months and months, that's really the best you can do?

    The other alternate universe (5.00 / 1) (#180)
    by ruffian on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 06:42:52 PM EST
    Thank god - the fake Stephen Colbert was back last night. How I miss him.

    Trumpiness (5.00 / 1) (#182)
    by ruffian on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 06:48:15 PM EST
    The Word

    Gees, did I ever need that!

    Parent

    I watched Melania (3.50 / 2) (#7)
    by MKS on Mon Jul 18, 2016 at 09:52:50 PM EST
    and I saw Eva Braun.

    I didn't see it live but the still pictures (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by ruffian on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 05:25:45 AM EST
    look like there was some kind of hostage situation going on. She looks terrified. I felt bad for her. Even worse for her now that the Teump campaign insists she wrote the speech herself - I guess they think no one is going to pick on her? Is Trump really throwing her under the bus? Unbelievable.

    Parent
    Maybe the cribbing from Michelle (none / 0) (#37)
    by ruffian on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 06:22:22 AM EST
    was a coded cry for help? Or am I reading too many spy novels?

    Sorry Melania, you married it. No one had a gun to your head...or did they?

    Parent

    I think Melania (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by MKS on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 09:14:49 AM EST
    did it herself.

    No professional speech writer would crib from another speech--let alone from a Democrat.

    And, the  Trump campaign comments suggest that Melania did do it herself.

    Parent

    Mike Murphy (none / 0) (#60)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 09:16:55 AM EST
    The speech writing team of Xerox and Konica are going to get fired.

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    Best response is for either Obama to (none / 0) (#61)
    by ruffian on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 09:19:53 AM EST
    quip about how it proves his point that we have much in common. Make that the theme. Not go after her for what was a rookie error.

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    Rookie error (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 09:25:14 AM EST
    It almost makes you think there are democratic moles dug in there.

    Then again as Repack and I were discussing there is really no reason to project deeper motivations on incompetence when incompetence will usually cover it.  

    Parent

    I agree that should be (5.00 / 1) (#68)
    by KeysDan on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 09:36:19 AM EST
    the theme--stealing from the demonized Obamas'. Trump likes their work. But, this was not a rookie error. This is a Trump modus operandi. Trump Institute, which claimed the personal wisdom of Trump, had extensive materials plagiarized from an obscure real estate manual from a decade or so before. Trump and Malaria should be repealed.

    Parent
    Probably true, but I think (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by ruffian on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 10:02:46 AM EST
    anything that looks like going after Melania is a bad idea. I know the campaign is steering the bus in her direction, but still....

    Parent
    Too true... (5.00 / 3) (#91)
    by kdog on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 11:22:21 AM EST
    joking and mocking is all well and good for us in the peanut gallery...the Dems would be best served focusing on the abhorrent ideas on display at this convention and offering alternative visions, not picking on the trophy wife or any of their freakshow speakers on a personal level. We can handle that end!

    Parent
    Hear, hear. (none / 0) (#107)
    by Steve13209 on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 11:51:19 AM EST
    The GOP will be happy for the press to make Melania the story, and not the crazy train that is going on in Cleveland.

    Parent
    There hasn't been an original trope (4.00 / 3) (#43)
    by Mr Natural on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 07:55:51 AM EST
    in any of those speeches in the past hundred years, so plagiarism?  No.

    Parent
    Plagiarism is not the re-using of tropes (5.00 / 8) (#62)
    by Peter G on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 09:20:49 AM EST
    It is the copying of whole passages verbatim, without attribution. But I am guessing you actually knew that. Plagiarism in schoolchildren presents an opportunity for teaching ethics and self-respect. In adults, on the other hand (as with Biden), it is a mark against one's character for integrity.

    Parent
    More plagiarism (5.00 / 1) (#76)
    by MKS on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 10:33:59 AM EST
    Melania's speech also took words from Marva Collins:

    Link

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    Yes. Thank you. (5.00 / 3) (#173)
    by Towanda on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 04:15:57 PM EST
    I am appalled by commenters who blow off plagiarism.

    (I have been plagiarized.  It hurts like h*ll.)

    Parent

    My senior (college) paper in philosophy (5.00 / 2) (#174)
    by Peter G on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 04:30:34 PM EST
    was my own translation from the French of a paper written by an actual philosopher about another philosopher, with my explanatory comments added of all the odd and unexplained references in the original. My supervising prof included it in a collection of essays he edited.  Ten years later it was published (again), both my translation and my commentary, by an assistant professor at a third-string British university under his own name as his work. When I stumbled upon it in a different essay collection, I advised my old prof (who actually owned the copyright). His response: "I hope the bastard got tenure."

    Parent
    Well, he is more generous (5.00 / 2) (#177)
    by Towanda on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 06:00:53 PM EST
    than I am, as I hope that my multiple plagiarists have not received promotion and tenure -- or other forms of promotion in their fields, from print to broadcast television to documentaries, as well as politics -- and, frankly, that they fry in h*ll.

    My family and I gave up a lot of time together, for a decade, for me to earn promotion and tenure on the most-plagiarized of my books, the first one -- a decade of hard work to conduct the research from which I developed my argument, my main idea, that was plagiarized, as well as my exact words.  And I worried over every one of those words, too.

    Parent

    Nice speech, Peter G. (2.00 / 1) (#185)
    by Mr Natural on Wed Jul 20, 2016 at 06:24:43 AM EST
    Show me anything in either woman's speech that wasn't clichè.

    Parent
    I didn't dispute you (5.00 / 1) (#191)
    by Peter G on Wed Jul 20, 2016 at 04:49:25 PM EST
    on the "cliche" point. I disputed your denial that the unattributed copying of someone else's particular verbal formulation of a series of cliches is still plagiarism.

    Parent
    I hear that... (2.00 / 1) (#75)
    by kdog on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 10:17:54 AM EST
    A political convention is not the home of original or profound thought...if this is plagiarism, I'm an astronaut.

    Parent
    It is plagarism (5.00 / 4) (#77)
    by MKS on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 10:37:22 AM EST
    That is not really in doubt.  If you want to dismiss it, that is your choice, but it is what it is.

    Plagiarism ends political and academic careers.  

    Why so supportive of this?    

    Parent

    Perhaps if you (none / 0) (#78)
    by TrevorBolder on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 10:44:56 AM EST
    Were Biden, it might end a campaign.
    Oh well, so ends Melania Trumps Presidential aspirations

    Parent
    I suppose you can excuse the (5.00 / 2) (#80)
    by MKS on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 10:50:01 AM EST
    plagiarism, but it is interesting to note that Melania was cribbing from African American women last night--not just Michelle Obama by the way.

    If Michelle Obama had done the same thing, you guys would have torn her to pieces.

    Parent

    To be honest (5.00 / 3) (#84)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 10:55:04 AM EST
    there was a lot worse than Melania's cribbing last night. It was an entire freak show and she's the only one that came off as somewhat normal.

    Parent
    Why? (none / 0) (#82)
    by TrevorBolder on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 10:54:23 AM EST
    She is not running for anything.
    She was speaking to her values, and what she believes.

    Too funny

    Parent

    If she's offering her opinion ... (5.00 / 2) (#110)
    by Yman on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 11:59:43 AM EST
    ... about the candidate and asking people to vote for him based on those opinions,  her credibility (or lack thereof) is an issue.

    Parent
    You can't be serious (1.00 / 1) (#115)
    by TrevorBolder on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 12:07:05 PM EST
    The Democratic candidate is believed by only diehard Clinton supporters

    Even 40% of her own party, the Bernie Backers say Madame Secretary has no credibility

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    Shocker (none / 0) (#127)
    by Yman on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 12:29:59 PM EST
    You mean some of the people who support the guy she just beat in a tough primary fight think she has no credibility?!?

    No way!

    I thought you asked why it mattered if Melania plagiarized (not to mention claimed to have graduated from college)?  I guess you didn't like the answer.

    Parent

    Usually (1.00 / 1) (#129)
    by TrevorBolder on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 12:33:19 PM EST
    Primary opponents may disagree on the issues,

    But the Bernie clan thinks she lied her way all through the primary.

    So no, it is not usual for 40% of a party to not believe their candidate

    Parent

    Oh, well (5.00 / 1) (#130)
    by Yman on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 12:45:56 PM EST
    Assuming your numbers are correct (you provide no link), they'll have to get over it.

    All of which is irrelevant to the question you asked about Melania and no longer want to discuss.

    Can't blame you.

    Parent

    Trevor (none / 0) (#147)
    by jondee on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 01:46:38 PM EST
    you're beginning to remind me of the kids in Peter Pan who only needed to believe believe believe that fairies are real to be able to fly..

    If only people believe hard enough all that conjecture about Bernie's supporters, maybe Trump has a chance.

    Parent

    It DID end Biden's campaign (none / 0) (#93)
    by jbindc on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 11:23:28 AM EST
    But not his career... (5.00 / 1) (#95)
    by kdog on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 11:25:56 AM EST
    unfortunately.

    Parent
    I believe Biden used almost whole speeches, (none / 0) (#112)
    by TrevorBolder on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 12:02:48 PM EST
     not 22 words in a 1500 word speech

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    It is a typical (none / 0) (#81)
    by TrevorBolder on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 10:52:44 AM EST
    Clinton campaign maneuver,

    The Clinton campaign seized on this and accused Obama of plagiarism. Obama responded, saying that Patrick and himself are good friends and share ideas regularly. Even Patrick himself, the plagiarized party, has taken to national TV to defend Obama.


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    Not so (5.00 / 2) (#89)
    by MKS on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 11:19:46 AM EST
    The Melania plagiarism issue has not been pushed by Hillary or her campaign.

    You are just repeating what Trump operative Paul Manafort is saying.

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    And, Queen just (none / 0) (#83)
    by MKS on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 10:54:45 AM EST
    stated that Trump's use of their song last night during Trump's entrance was not authorized.   More stealing other people's ideas.

    Good grief.

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    Well (none / 0) (#85)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 10:56:08 AM EST
    get back to us when Michelle says she and Melania share ideas on speeches.

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    Why? (5.00 / 1) (#86)
    by TrevorBolder on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 11:00:25 AM EST
    "What difference - at this point, what difference does it make?"


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    Thanks (none / 0) (#88)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 11:12:53 AM EST
    Trevor for another reminder of the freak show the GOP has become. Can't even come up with an original reply can you? Keep embracing and apologizing for the insane clown show the GOP has become. It was on full display last night for the entire country.

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    kdog, you would be (none / 0) (#79)
    by KeysDan on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 10:45:59 AM EST
    my favorite astronaut. But, I have to agree with you--and Chris Christie (who claimed today that it is not plagiarism if only a bit of plagiarism). In fairness to Mrs. Trump the Third, her Obama speech did leave out "I was born a poor black child," nor did she say, on the south side of Chicago.  I think she said, on the south side of Slovenia. So that counts.

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    Southside of Sevnica... (5.00 / 2) (#87)
    by kdog on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 11:05:26 AM EST
    in southern Slovenia, to be precise.  Southside Squared...top that Michelle! ;)

    A more pressing plagiarism claim may be filed by Rick Astley.

    Never Gonna Give You Up
     

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    Everyone is saying what (none / 0) (#98)
    by MKS on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 11:29:21 AM EST
    an amazing story Melania has to tell.

    Not that I heard last night.  All I heard is that she came here from Slovenia and after she had been in New York for two years she met Trump.  That is it in terms of specific facts.  

    If she grew up deprived in Slovenia (not everyone was) or was a very smart and successful businesswoman on her own, I heard nothing about that.

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    The best thing we can do (none / 0) (#106)
    by kdog on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 11:50:02 AM EST
    for the Trump campaign is focus on his wife.  

    I can't say the story of a beautiful Eastern European former model becoming a a dirty old rich schemer from NY's future ex-wife is all that interesting or "amazing".  It's an all too common tale.  Whoever the "everyone" is telling you that must be working for Trump, and they should run and cash their check before it bounces in the next get rich quick exploiting bankruptcy laws scam gets underway.

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    Man... (none / 0) (#135)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 01:15:01 PM EST
    you and I have vastly different opinions of what qualifies for a beautiful Eastern European.  

    The lyrics to "Ugly on the Inside" comes to mind.  

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    Beautiful... (none / 0) (#142)
    by kdog on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 01:26:07 PM EST
    in the tired mass media-fashion-mannequin sense old friend, not true beauty.

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    I'm old enough to remember (none / 0) (#160)
    by jondee on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 03:09:21 PM EST
    when the only Eastern European women they ever showed in the media were bandy legged grandmothers in babushkas with a sack of turnips in each hand.

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    Wait (none / 0) (#161)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 03:19:36 PM EST
    ROTFLMAO (none / 0) (#165)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 03:27:09 PM EST
    Yes, I am old enough to remember that too or Eastern European swimmers pumped up by steroids. Now I will give Melania credit for undoing that stereotype.

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    Ugh, that wasn't (none / 0) (#176)
    by MKS on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 05:42:53 PM EST
    that long ago.

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    Ha (none / 0) (#9)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 18, 2016 at 09:57:24 PM EST
    Me too.  But better looking.  Maybe Brunhilde.

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    I hope Mama Bear doesn't get mad (none / 0) (#20)
    by MKS on Mon Jul 18, 2016 at 10:21:47 PM EST
    I said that about Donald's wife....

    But a more vapid presentation would be hard to imagine. Especially after the Caesar like entrance by Donald to introduce her.

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    That entrance (none / 0) (#21)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 18, 2016 at 10:28:51 PM EST
    With the profile in the smoke or whateverthehell it was reminded me of the Alfred Hitckcock profile thing.

    It was like the profile of his hair.

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    Omg, that was just...beyond thunderdome (5.00 / 2) (#35)
    by ruffian on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 05:29:01 AM EST
    What's he going to do Thursday? Descend from the ceiling?

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    I'm hopin (none / 0) (#56)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 09:07:50 AM EST
    It's shot out of a cannon.  A really big cannon.

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    no humanizing (none / 0) (#13)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jul 18, 2016 at 10:05:55 PM EST
    story about Donald? I guess there must not be one.

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    Stunningly, no (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by MKS on Mon Jul 18, 2016 at 10:11:30 PM EST
    Not even a story about being nice to the doorman.

    Just nice general platitudes, without examples.  She sounded fine but said nothing memorable.  

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    Omigod (5.00 / 5) (#24)
    by MKS on Mon Jul 18, 2016 at 11:31:11 PM EST
    Melania's speech plagiarized Michelle Obama's 2008 speech!

    So, Trump forces screw up what many had said was the best speech of the night.

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    this cannot be life (none / 0) (#25)
    by pitachips on Mon Jul 18, 2016 at 11:53:46 PM EST
    The best part is that she said she wrote it "with a little help as possible"

    I'm in tears.


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    Tomorrow Fox will say (none / 0) (#27)
    by jondee on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 12:15:45 AM EST
    Michelle lifted the words from a talk Mrs James Garfield once gave.

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    Caught some of Rush today... (none / 0) (#162)
    by kdog on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 03:19:40 PM EST
    on my lunch hour (what can I say I have a twisted appreciation of unintentional comedy) and you were close jondee...the gasbag says Michelle lifted it from Saul Alinsky.

    Seriously though...what politician or convention speaker has whole original thoughts and ideas. If they did, I don't think they would be given a speaking slot.  

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    Alinsky being Rush-ese (none / 0) (#169)
    by jondee on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 03:41:56 PM EST
    for thirties Chicago left wing commie..

    The wingnut noise machine is so big on pushing that dirty rotten Chicago meme, I'm surprised he didn't say she lifted it from Al Capone.

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    Wait.... (none / 0) (#26)
    by Redbrow on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 12:15:05 AM EST
    ....so Michelle Obama reminds you guys of Eva Braun too?

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    Well, there were other parts (none / 0) (#28)
    by MKS on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 12:20:29 AM EST
    of Michelle Obama's speech.

    Like this:

    My dad was our rock. Although he was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis in his early 30s, he was our provider, our champion, our hero. As he got sicker, it got harder for him to walk, it took him longer to get dressed in the morning. But if he was in pain, he never let on. He never stopped smiling and laughing -- even while struggling to button his shirt, even while using two canes to get himself across the room to give my mom a kiss. He just woke up a little earlier and worked a little harder.

    And specifics about when she first met her husband.

    Nice try, though.

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    And of course Michelle (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by Redbrow on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 12:28:25 AM EST
    Does not have that scary, foreign sounding accent, right?.

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    I would try (5.00 / 4) (#30)
    by MKS on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 12:42:22 AM EST
    and change the subject too, if I were a Trump supporter.

    It was never about her accent.  

    It was about how it was vapid, and the nice ring to her speech came from Michelle's speech, but there was no corresponding concrete details that Michelle gave, which provided context to the generalizations that Melania lifted.

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    Good Morning! (2.00 / 1) (#46)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 08:34:19 AM EST
    Wait! I can't say that because Michelle said that...and many many times....

    The speech was full of common phrases that we all use.

    All we have here is an attempt by the Left, including the main stream media, to detract and reframe.


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    Ever hear (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by MKS on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 09:23:39 AM EST
    of turnitin.com?

    It is plagiarism, by any measure.  Kids get in big trouble for this kind of stuff.

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    hahaha, valiant effort (none / 0) (#57)
    by ruffian on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 09:09:12 AM EST
    relax jim, we are just laughing at it. no outrage. We will be laughing at something else tonight. Get used to it.

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    "Common phrases" - heh (none / 0) (#101)
    by Yman on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 11:31:36 AM EST
    You mean entire sentences lifted verbatim.  You think she would've learned how to write in college.

    Oh, ... wait.

    Nevermind.

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    Let me see if I get this (none / 0) (#109)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 11:57:05 AM EST
    out of all the words in all the world she decided to use Michelle's?

    Really? How ridiculous can you folks be?

    Oh well, at least she didn't say, "For the first time in my adult life I am proud of my country."

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    Hard to believe someone could (5.00 / 2) (#124)
    by Yman on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 12:19:21 PM EST
    ... do something that stupid,  huh?  And yet,  the paragraphs are right they're for everyone to compare.

    You should ask her why she would do something so "ridiculous".  While you do that,  askin her for a chippy if her imaginary university degree,  too.

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    No, actually. What she did was refer to the USA (none / 0) (#121)
    by Peter G on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 12:12:41 PM EST
    as "your country" rather than "our country." Imagine if the spouse of a Democratic candidate did that!

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    She should have (5.00 / 2) (#17)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 18, 2016 at 10:13:24 PM EST
    Talked about the pigeons

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    Evil man! (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by vml68 on Mon Jul 18, 2016 at 11:28:16 PM EST
    I thought you were supposed to be a friend :-)

    Parent
    Many others saw Melania Trump, ... (none / 0) (#32)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 01:59:29 AM EST
    I'm going to watch... (none / 0) (#1)
    by desertswine on Mon Jul 18, 2016 at 08:49:55 PM EST
    Samantha Bee in about 40 mins. instead of these crazy clowns.

    His wife should be running (none / 0) (#4)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 18, 2016 at 09:40:38 PM EST


    Sorry, Melania is not a natural born citizen (5.00 / 3) (#18)
    by Peter G on Mon Jul 18, 2016 at 10:15:03 PM EST
    She's not eligible.

    Parent
    So we don't have to worry (none / 0) (#47)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 08:37:45 AM EST
    about her pulling a Hillary?

    Parent
    No, no worry about "pulling a Hillary" (5.00 / 10) (#52)
    by Peter G on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 09:05:16 AM EST
    Melania won't be graduating from Yale Law, joining a leading nonprofit advocacy group for children's rights, becoming a partner in a top law firm in a small city, being elected to the United States Senate, and serving as Secretary of State, all before running for President as a fully qualified candidate. Melania won't be doing any of that. Nor will her husband.

    Parent
    I don't see her... (none / 0) (#69)
    by kdog on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 09:47:35 AM EST
    sitting on the Walmart board or talking smack for Goldman Sachs for 200 grand an hour either.

    Parent
    Maybe they would just (5.00 / 2) (#70)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 09:52:18 AM EST
    Let her read Hillarys speeches for half that.

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    Oh I'm sure... (none / 0) (#71)
    by kdog on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 09:58:09 AM EST
    there are per diem opportunities for Melania in the Goldman Sachs "Client Entertainment" Division...but I think those freelancers only earn in the high 4 low 5 figure range per hour.

    Parent
    Why would they? (5.00 / 1) (#96)
    by Yman on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 11:27:21 AM EST
    She's not qualified for that,  either.  

    Parent
    Sometimes it is best (none / 0) (#104)
    by kdog on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 11:38:27 AM EST
    to not qualify...that's all I'm saying.

    I'm qualified to be a gun owner, but I ain't getting into that mess, even if they paid me....for example.

    Parent

    Oh, I knew what you were getting at (none / 0) (#116)
    by Yman on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 12:09:22 PM EST
    It was the same tired slams against her we've heard for years.   My point was that it's a silly question/comparison.   No corporation would want Melania on their board or offer her speaking engagements,  since she's not qualified. OTOH, Hillary is qualified,  and I have no problem with her doing either one (as a private citizen), even for the evil Walmart or a bank.

    Parent
    Your tired slam... (5.00 / 1) (#134)
    by kdog on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 01:14:19 PM EST
    is my continued cause for great concern and great reservations.  

    But hey, I'm just a hapless witless victim of GOP propaganda, or so they tell me.


    Parent

    That's okay (none / 0) (#148)
    by Yman on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 01:48:33 PM EST
    Everybody had opinions.   I had "great concern and reservations" about Bernie, too.  But in this case,  your propaganda isn't coming from the GOP.

    Parent
    No (5.00 / 1) (#97)
    by jbindc on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 11:28:26 AM EST
    Because she doesn't strike me as someone who sits on a corporate board and not only take, but ADVOCATE FOR, unpopular positions like pushing for more women in management and installing a comprehensive environmental plan.

    I agree. I don't see Melania doing that.

    And no one is going to pay her ANYTHING to speak after last night's fiasco...

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    Alotta good she did on Walmart wages... (5.00 / 1) (#108)
    by kdog on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 11:53:15 AM EST
    oh that's right, she didn't get down with a proper minimum wage hike proposal till the old jew made historic noise.  

    Nevermind, I got my reincarnations mixed up.

    Parent

    You're right (5.00 / 1) (#119)
    by Yman on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 12:12:00 PM EST
    As a single board member on a board with dozens of members,  she should've been able to go right in and triple their wages.

    Heh.

    Parent

    BTW (5.00 / 1) (#125)
    by Yman on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 12:23:06 PM EST
    She's been fighting for minimum wage increases for many years before "the old jew made historic noise".

    Parent
    Yeah... (none / 0) (#137)
    by kdog on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 01:17:51 PM EST
    of the nickel and dime variety...aka a raise from laughable to pathetic.  It wasn't till Bernie & Occupy & Service Workers Unions fought for 15 and gained traction that Hillary bumped her "advocacy" up to 12.  And I think she bumped it again to 15...so hard to keep track, her policy positions are like whack-a-mole.

    Parent
    Oh, that's right (5.00 / 2) (#144)
    by Yman on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 01:41:24 PM EST
    You said a "proper" minimum wage raise.   Apparently,  that falls somewhere between Bernie's proposal ($15 nationally) and Hillary's proposal  of $12 nationally and $15 for more expensive cities/stateshare, which is what she's started from the start of her campaign.  

    Unless you're complaining about her last bill she co-sponsored as a Senator,  which proposed a raise from $5.85 to $9.50.  That would be the "nickel and dime" one that Bernie supportedo  (can't believe he supported that "nickel and dime" raise).  Or perhaps you're thinking she should've been introducing legislation while she was Secretary of State?

    Parent

    Actually I'd put at $18... (5.00 / 1) (#151)
    by kdog on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 02:03:11 PM EST
    or over to get closer to the increases in worker productivity...but 15 is a good start.  12 is better than pathetic but short of reasonable.

    Parent
    Good to know (none / 0) (#152)
    by Yman on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 02:16:17 PM EST
    I'd  put it at $21.  $18 is better than pathetic but I'm tired of the nickel and dime proposals.

    Of course,  neither of us is king and we don't have to get our imaginary proposals passed by Congress.

    Parent

    Yes, and the Sanders' proposal (none / 0) (#155)
    by KeysDan on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 02:35:10 PM EST
    was to raise the federal minimum wage to $15 by 2020.

    Parent
    Yes, and many liberal economists (5.00 / 2) (#158)
    by jbindc on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 02:51:45 PM EST
    Pointed out that such a drastic change (doubling) would help those in NY, DC, LA, SF, etc. but would likely hurt the very people it's trying to help the most - those in smaller cities and rural areas, because the local economies could not absorb such a hike, which is why the $12/ $15 proposed by HRC is a much more realistic goal to implement - both economically and politicially.

    Parent
    MrK, for a cynical guy, I am surprised (5.00 / 1) (#178)
    by vml68 on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 06:09:17 PM EST
    that you did not find it a little odd that Bernie only decided to introduce legislation for the $15/hr min wage after he started running for the Presidency.

    Btw, the min wage in Vermont is $9.60/hr in 2016 and is scheduled to reach $10.50/hr in 2018. I guess their Senator did not feel they needed $15/hr until now. Makes you wonder why?

    And, you want to tell me why the person advocating for a $15/hr min wage is paying his own Senate interns $12/hr.
    He could set a great example by bumping that up to $15.

    Bernie is doing what all pols do, saying the things we want to hear so we vote for them. So, let's not award him Sainthood, yet :-)

    You might also want to look into Bernie and the Veterans scandal.

    Parent

    The thing about uppity workers is (none / 0) (#179)
    by jondee on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 06:37:02 PM EST
    if they get too big for their britches, you can always herd them into a soccer stadium and torture them with cattle prods, the way Hillary's mentor and confidant Henry advised Pinochet to do.

    And some wonder why Walmart workers acted so notoriously cowed and complacent for so long..

    Parent

    Don't have a clue what your point is. (none / 0) (#183)
    by vml68 on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 08:54:02 PM EST
    n/t

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    Kdog (none / 0) (#145)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 01:42:18 PM EST
    one of the main reasons Bernie lost in the primary is because no one believed he would accomplish anything because he never has accomplished anything other than one veterans bill that he failed to follow up on and naming two post offices. It basically didn't matter what he said he was for because voters knew he would never get it done.

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    No shaming in losing the good fight... (none / 0) (#150)
    by kdog on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 02:01:16 PM EST
    as long as you are fighting the good fight, and not just looking for "accomplishments" that only accomplish padding your resume, and little else.  

    Passing legislation is not an accomplishment in and of itself, it all depends on what is in the legislation.  If Bernie lacks accompolishments, I'd look to the voters outside Vermont and the vermin they are electing to the Senate.  Like the voters of NY and GA.

    Parent

    Bernie's lack (5.00 / 1) (#153)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 02:17:00 PM EST
    of accomplishments are his own fault no one else's. It's easy to blame someone else but hard to look at him and see that he created his lack of accomplishments by refusing to work with anybody. He never even attempted to try to pass anything until he was running for president.

    Parent
    "No one.." (none / 0) (#181)
    by jondee on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 06:46:50 PM EST
    No one more than it took to win 22 Democrat state primaries.

    Parent
    Maybe. It's the GOP, after all (5.00 / 2) (#94)
    by Yman on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 11:23:59 AM EST
    A party who's voters apparently couldn't care less about their candidate actually being qualified.

    Parent
    'Law and Order where the cops can do no wrong.' (none / 0) (#40)
    by nyjets on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 07:05:00 AM EST
    Minor quibble.
    As a fan of the show, I have to say that this statement is incorrect. There were a number of times where that show showed the cops in the show another cops in the wrong.

    True (none / 0) (#41)
    by jbindc on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 07:11:01 AM EST
    Lots of times the cops are wrong, or conflicted.  So are the lawyers.

    If I were Dick Wolf, I'd sue the RNC.

    Parent

    Absolutely, "L&O" was not ... (none / 0) (#138)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 01:19:37 PM EST
    ... rote storytelling. In its early seasons, I remember when Michael Moriarty's Deputy DA character departed the show, it was because his boss's prosecutorial overzealousness in pursuing a conviction at all costs inadvertently led to a successful mob hit on an otherwise very reluctant witness. He was so distraught over having been the direct cause of her death, he subsequently walked off the job and didn't look back.

    Parent
    it has been a while (none / 0) (#146)
    by nyjets on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 01:42:47 PM EST
    but stone was not directly responsible for her death. she had important information and she had some idea with respect to the people she was working with. the mod was the one responsible for her death, not stone

    Parent
    Allison Janney! (none / 0) (#149)
    by jbindc on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 01:52:43 PM EST
    And now (none / 0) (#103)
    by jbindc on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 11:35:53 AM EST
    Some CA GOP staffers are sickened with Norovirus at their hotel.

    It is believed that none of the California delegates have come down with the virus, and most of the delegation is still planning to show up for the evening session of the convention.
    .

    Good luck with that.

    That is horrible (none / 0) (#128)
    by ruffian on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 12:30:16 PM EST
    A friend got it at a convention last year. Nothing to mess around with. they better not show up in that hall if they were exposed.

    Of course this is the science denier party, so who knows what they will do.

    Parent

    what deadly situation and who did not (none / 0) (#105)
    by ding7777 on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 11:43:35 AM EST
    try to rescue them?

    Exactly (none / 0) (#111)
    by TrevorBolder on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 12:01:42 PM EST
    And at that point in time, she was saying, what difference did it make that we lied to you in a run up to a election.
    That is also unacceptable

    What truth (none / 0) (#120)
    by TrevorBolder on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 12:12:14 PM EST
    That the planned assault on the compound was "inspired" by a video.
    Man, what world are you living in?

    This thread isn't about you, Jim. (none / 0) (#132)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 01:03:50 PM EST
    Yet that's exactly what you're doing here, making it all about you, with your obvious penchant for verbal contortions and logic pretzels. It's both tiresome and predictable.

    Make America Safe Again... (none / 0) (#140)
    by kdog on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 01:23:37 PM EST
    a good start would have been putting bars around the Quicken Loans Arena and rechristening it  Quicken Loans Correctional.

    Nah, bad idea...that wouldn't be righteous, and there are more much important virtues than safety.  Love, for example.  Liberty.  Justice.

    You say the facts are on display (none / 0) (#171)
    by jondee on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 03:55:51 PM EST
    the way Erich Von Dannikan used to marshall proof for alien landings in America before Columbus..

    And the Left has taken over the mainstream media and Mission Accomplished is just a standard expression of no significance the military uses all the time..

    Jim, had airplanes been launched, (none / 0) (#190)
    by fishcamp on Wed Jul 20, 2016 at 01:46:00 PM EST
    what do you think they could have done?  To me the choices would have been bomb the compound where the ambassador was, which would do no good, or bomb the innocent people in the surrounding neighborhoods, also a bad choice.

    What could they have done? (none / 0) (#193)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Jul 21, 2016 at 07:28:38 AM EST
    If you don't go fishing, how many fish will you catch?

    And like your fish finder equipment; modern warplanes have equipment on them that make them super accurate delivery systems.

    But the fact remains.

    They didn't try. They just gave up. They didn't give a damn.

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    as an armchair general (5.00 / 1) (#196)
    by ding7777 on Thu Jul 21, 2016 at 01:55:45 PM EST
    you may disagree with the way the DOD and Joint Chiefs viewed and deployed resources but you are not being truthful when you say "They didn't try"

    The "They just gave up. They didn't give a damn."
    belongs with the totally discredited "stand down" order.

    Parent

    Who Put Whom in a Deadly Situation? (none / 0) (#192)
    by RickyJim on Wed Jul 20, 2016 at 06:28:42 PM EST
    I have never understood why the ambassador took it upon himself to go to Benghazi?  Is there evidence that Sec. Clinton ordered him to despite the weak security?

    Yes, (none / 0) (#197)
    by jbindc on Thu Jul 21, 2016 at 02:03:38 PM EST
    The FACTS are on display.  Not, however, what you keep posting.  Those are the OPPOSITE of facts.