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Excerpts From Obama's Speech Tonight

Just received these excerpts of President Obama's speech tonight on health care from the White House. The speech is at 8pm ET. If you are not by a TV, the White House is streaming it live here.

I am not the first President to take up this cause, but I am determined to be the last. It has now been nearly a century since Theodore Roosevelt first called for health care reform. And ever since, nearly every President and Congress, whether Democrat or Republican, has attempted to meet this challenge in some way. A bill for comprehensive health reform was first introduced by John Dingell Sr. in 1943. Sixty-five years later, his son continues to introduce that same bill at the beginning of each session.

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Our collective failure to meet this challenge – year after year, decade after decade – has led us to a breaking point. Everyone understands the extraordinary hardships that are placed on the uninsured, who live every day just one accident or illness away from bankruptcy. These are not primarily people on welfare. These are middle-class Americans. Some can’t get insurance on the job. Others are self-employed, and can’t afford it, since buying insurance on your own costs you three times as much as the coverage you get from your employer. Many other Americans who are willing and able to pay are still denied insurance due to previous illnesses or conditions that insurance companies decide are too risky or expensive to cover.

....During that time, we have seen Washington at its best and its worst.

....We have seen many in this chamber work tirelessly for the better part of this year to offer thoughtful ideas about how to achieve reform. Of the five committees asked to develop bills, four have completed their work, and the Senate Finance Committee announced today that it will move forward next week. That has never happened before. Our overall efforts have been supported by an unprecedented coalition of doctors and nurses; hospitals, seniors’ groups and even drug companies – many of whom opposed reform in the past. And there is agreement in this chamber on about eighty percent of what needs to be done, putting us closer to the goal of reform than we have ever been.

....But what we have also seen in these last months is the same partisan spectacle that only hardens the disdain many Americans have toward their own government. Instead of honest debate, we have seen scare tactics. Some have dug into unyielding ideological camps that offer no hope of compromise. Too many have used this as an opportunity to score short-term political points, even if it robs the country of our opportunity to solve a long-term challenge. And out of this blizzard of charges and counter-charges, confusion has reigned.

Well the time for bickering is over. The time for games has passed. Now is the season for action. Now is when we must bring the best ideas of both parties together, and show the American people that we can still do what we were sent here to do. Now is the time to deliver on health care.

The plan I’m announcing tonight would meet three basic goals:

It will provide more security and stability to those who have health insurance. It will provide insurance to those who don’t. And it will slow the growth of health care costs for our families, our businesses, and our government. It’s a plan that asks everyone to take responsibility for meeting this challenge – not just government and insurance companies, but employers and individuals. And it’s a plan that incorporates ideas from Senators and Congressmen; from Democrats and Republicans – and yes, from some of my opponents in both the primary and general election.

***

Here are the details that every American needs to know about this plan:

First, if you are among the hundreds of millions of Americans who already have health insurance through your job, Medicare, Medicaid, or the VA, nothing in this plan will require you or your employer to change the coverage or the doctor you have. Let me repeat this: nothing in our plan requires you to change what you have.

What this plan will do is to make the insurance you have work better for you. Under this plan, it will be against the law for insurance companies to deny you coverage because of a pre-existing condition. As soon as I sign this bill, it will be against the law for insurance companies to drop your coverage when you get sick or water it down when you need it most. They will no longer be able to place some arbitrary cap on the amount of coverage you can receive in a given year or a lifetime. We will place a limit on how much you can be charged for out-of-pocket expenses, because in the United States of America, no one should go broke because they get sick. And insurance companies will be required to cover, with no extra charge, routine checkups and preventive care, like mammograms and colonoscopies – because there’s no reason we shouldn’t be catching diseases like breast cancer and colon cancer before they get worse. That makes sense, it saves money, and it saves lives.

That’s what Americans who have health insurance can expect from this plan – more security and stability.

Now, if you’re one of the tens of millions of Americans who don’t currently have health insurance, the second part of this plan will finally offer you quality, affordable choices. If you lose your job or change your job, you will be able to get coverage. If you strike out on your own and start a small business, you will be able to get coverage. We will do this by creating a new insurance exchange – a marketplace where individuals and small businesses will be able to shop for health insurance at competitive prices. Insurance companies will have an incentive to participate in this exchange because it lets them compete for millions of new customers. As one big group, these customers will have greater leverage to bargain with the insurance companies for better prices and quality coverage. This is how large companies and government employees get affordable insurance. It’s how everyone in this Congress gets affordable insurance. And it’s time to give every American the same opportunity that we’ve given ourselves.

***

This is the plan I’m proposing. It’s a plan that incorporates ideas from many of the people in this room tonight – Democrats and Republicans. And I will continue to seek common ground in the weeks ahead. If you come to me with a serious set of proposals, I will be there to listen. My door is always open.

But know this: I will not waste time with those who have made the calculation that it’s better politics to kill this plan than improve it. I will not stand by while the special interests use the same old tactics to keep things exactly the way they are. If you misrepresent what’s in the plan, we will call you out. And I will not accept the status quo as a solution. Not this time. Not now.

Everyone in this room knows what will happen if we do nothing. Our deficit will grow. More families will go bankrupt. More businesses will close. More Americans will lose their coverage when they are sick and need it most. And more will die as a result. We know these things to be true.

That is why we cannot fail. Because there are too many Americans counting on us to succeed – the ones who suffer silently, and the ones who shared their stories with us at town hall meetings, in emails, and in letters.

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    I like the big quote marks (5.00 / 2) (#1)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 05:26:24 PM EST


    Uh huh (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by Steve M on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 05:41:50 PM EST
    You and this guy!

    Parent
    Would you say they are more of a (none / 0) (#19)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 05:52:24 PM EST
    maroon or more of an oxblood color? Either way, it adds pizzaz to the big quote marks doesn't it.

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    Oxblood (none / 0) (#21)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 05:54:26 PM EST
    Always loved that color.

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    Link (none / 0) (#24)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 05:56:30 PM EST
    I believe you are correct. (none / 0) (#33)
    by shoephone on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 06:01:30 PM EST
    And here I thought it looked exactly like a Benjamin Moore color called "New London Burgandy" (HC-61).

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    Link for HC-61 (none / 0) (#37)
    by shoephone on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 06:05:55 PM EST
    Used to be (none / 0) (#49)
    by cal1942 on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 06:16:24 PM EST
    a fairly popular shoe color

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    Oxblood shoes go with any suit color (5.00 / 1) (#81)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 06:45:20 PM EST
    Take note you legal eagles.

    Parent
    Now it will receive fame as a (none / 0) (#54)
    by MO Blue on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 06:20:33 PM EST
    very popular quote mark color. I can see it now. This trend will spread throughout the the land. And we will have President Obama to thank for it.

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    Pantone 1815 :) (none / 0) (#38)
    by nycstray on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 06:06:29 PM EST
    Sounds like a (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by dk on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 05:31:20 PM EST
    love letter to President Snowe.  Or am I missing something?

    The big quote marks (none / 0) (#4)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 05:33:19 PM EST
    I really like them.

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    True. (none / 0) (#5)
    by dk on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 05:35:18 PM EST
    They're pretty.

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    Yes I'm impressed with the (none / 0) (#6)
    by MO Blue on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 05:35:50 PM EST
    big quote marks myself.

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    I don't know.... (none / 0) (#11)
    by desertswine on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 05:39:42 PM EST
    I would call them GIANT quote marks. But I also like them.

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    You know the more I think about it (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by MO Blue on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 05:58:31 PM EST
    I am really impressed with the big or giant quote marks. They look very presidential. It is very important that the president has the biggest quote marks in town.

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    Heh (none / 0) (#32)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 06:00:57 PM EST
    Zactly!

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    Is That All There Is ??? (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by cwolf on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 05:35:50 PM EST


    No, Peggy Lee (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 05:38:12 PM EST
    This si an excerpt.

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    Ohhhh,,, good (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by cwolf on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 05:40:37 PM EST
    ...I missed that ,

    heart attack getting better already.

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    just relax and admire the big quotation marks (none / 0) (#88)
    by kempis on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 06:52:43 PM EST
    :)

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    Then let's keep dancing.... (5.00 / 2) (#10)
    by shoephone on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 05:39:22 PM EST
    let's break out the booze (5.00 / 1) (#87)
    by The Last Whimzy on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 06:50:49 PM EST
    i can't resist this....

    I remember when I was a very little girl, our health care system broke.
    I'll never forget the look on my president's face as he gathered us up
    in his arms and compromised with republicans.
    I stood there shivering in my pajamas and watched the whole bill go up in flames.
    And when it was all over I said to myself, "Is that all there is to the obama administration?"


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    Thumbs up (none / 0) (#99)
    by shoephone on Thu Sep 10, 2009 at 02:25:09 AM EST
    for creativity.

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    Let's break out the booze and have a ball (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 06:02:37 PM EST
    if that's all there is. Port wine might be apropos - matches the color of the...well you know.

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    Ha! (5.00 / 2) (#39)
    by shoephone on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 06:09:50 PM EST
    I remember the time my father took me to the circus...

    Honestly, this song gave me the creeps when I was growing up!

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    Morbid children loved it - at least I did. (none / 0) (#83)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 06:48:02 PM EST
    Where's the passion? n/t (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by Coral on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 05:40:26 PM EST


    Not on the written page (5.00 / 6) (#15)
    by Steve M on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 05:42:23 PM EST
    It makes the ink run.

    Parent
    The passion is in the Progressive Caucus (5.00 / 3) (#16)
    by shoephone on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 05:43:37 PM EST
    Fingers crossed (5.00 / 5) (#17)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 05:45:03 PM EST
    If you do that too long you'll get a sprain... (none / 0) (#89)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 06:52:45 PM EST
    leading to reduced blood flow, necrosis and, worst case scenario - amputation of your forefinger and middle finger. Still if you must cross your fingers, DON'T use BOTH hands. None of us can afford the consequences of that.

    Parent
    in my living room (none / 0) (#91)
    by kempis on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 06:55:32 PM EST
    and it's foul-mouthed and cynical and far removed from hope and change.

    All I want to hear him say is "I will veto any bill that does not include a strong public option."

    Not gonna hear that.

    And now that I've seen Max Baucus's mug, smiling and shaking hands through the crowd, I may just give this whole damned thing a pass and wait for the highlights.

    I just don't know if I can stomach this.

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    Clarity - details...??? (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by lentinel on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 05:45:35 PM EST
    Obama said that his speech would contain clarity, but not details.
    I get neither from the speech. The only thing I feel from it is that the insurance companies will continue to be the major players.
    The "insurance exchange" idea - whatever it is - doesn't resonate.
    We already have competition between insurance companies. What has that gotten us?

    Obama also said, "And it's a plan that incorporates ideas from Senators and Congressmen; from Democrats and Republicans - and yes, from some of my opponents in both the primary and general election."

    If he is referring to Hillary Clinton, he should have named her and given her credit.

    As far as "ideas" from some of his opponents in the general election - what "idea" does he claim to have gotten from McCain or Palin? I'd like to know.

    Obama just keeps weaving b.s. into the fabric of his presentation. It's always the same.

    Thank God for the US Open.

    Clarity without details is that a (5.00 / 3) (#22)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 05:55:00 PM EST
    new teaching model. Did Obama promote it in his education speech?

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    If the insurance exchange did nothing except (none / 0) (#20)
    by steviez314 on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 05:54:06 PM EST
    allow individuals to form groups and purchase insurance at group rates, that would cut their costs by 20-50%.

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    Details are necessary to know (5.00 / 3) (#23)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 05:55:06 PM EST
    that's (none / 0) (#48)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 06:14:40 PM EST
    a big IF. It's unlikely to happen though.

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    The requirements for insurance plans in the (none / 0) (#58)
    by steviez314 on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 06:22:21 PM EST
    exchanges as set by the House and Senate HELP bills  don't allow for  price discrimination based on any criteria (except somewhat for age), so they provide community rated pricing for individuals.

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    Well (5.00 / 4) (#64)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 06:25:25 PM EST
    that's basically no different than it is now. Right now you can shop around but everyone is charged by their age.

    For a coop to work you are going to have go get a ton of people to want the exact same insurance plan. And who's going to decide what gets offered in these coops? Who's to say only junk insurance won't be offered?

    There are so many simple ways to solve this problme but Baucus and Obama have totally screwed it up in their desire to please the insurance companies.

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    Unless the groups (none / 0) (#50)
    by BackFromOhio on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 06:17:20 PM EST
    have any members over 60 -- see comments earlier today on Baucus plan

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    Financing (none / 0) (#31)
    by Ramo on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 06:00:55 PM EST
    I'm guessing that it will be financing.  McCain wanted to tax health care, and a lot of conservadems want to tax a subset of health care (expensive plans).  This is one issue where the Blue Dogs  are right, since the health care exemption is a regressive subsidy that helps lead to uncontrolled cost growth.

    As for primary opponents, remember that Hillary got her plan from another primary opponent.

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    Expensive plans (none / 0) (#43)
    by waldenpond on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 06:12:09 PM EST
    The base level for an 'expensive' plan currently proposed is $8000.  That doesn't seem a very expensive plan for a family and it will be taxed at 35%.

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    Huh? (none / 0) (#52)
    by Ramo on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 06:19:23 PM EST
    Why wouldn't the cutoff for the plan be normalized by family size?  Your suggestion makes no sense.

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    Insurance doesn't normalize (none / 0) (#90)
    by waldenpond on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 06:53:49 PM EST
    for family size.  A single parent with 1 child pays the same as a married couple with 6 children (family plan) and the family deductible is the same.

    It will be easy for the govt to get it's info on employer based plans.  The employer can simply deduct the tax from a paycheck and submit it to the govt along with payroll taxes.

    BTW.... it was not my suggestion, it is an actual proposal on how to pay for the subsidies.

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    No. (none / 0) (#94)
    by Ramo on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 07:00:32 PM EST
    Your idea for how the rules work is ridiculous.  They would have to normalize by family size.

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    You are kidding me? (none / 0) (#66)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 06:27:35 PM EST
    I'm going to have to pay an additional 35% tax on my plan that has a $5000.00 deductible that costs me $10,000 already????? The news gets worse and worse about this plan.

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    Sounds like a yawner. (5.00 / 4) (#27)
    by TheRealFrank on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 05:58:36 PM EST
    "I'm repeating the same non-committal stuff I've been saying all along. But, I'm begging you, please believe me this is good stuff, because I'll slap a big Mission Accomplished banner on anything."


    I wonder (5.00 / 6) (#28)
    by Steve M on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 05:58:50 PM EST
    if any Congressmen's parents will be keeping them home tonight, so that they're not exposed to the President's speech.

    I was wondering if Joshua's school (none / 0) (#84)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 06:48:27 PM EST
    was going to allow it.  I had my doubts but Josh was still recovery from H1N1 and wasn't even able to go back to school until today.  I didn't ask the kids though if they got to watch it.  I didn't want to be disappointed.  I would say it was a 50/50 shot from a school that still celebrates Robert E Lee day.

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    Cap on out of pocket expenses (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 06:10:03 PM EST
    and no more cherry picking, no more pre-existing conditions the day he signs the bill, no more catastrophic caps.....he has my attention.  Everybody gets insurance even if they leave the job that had coverge or not (don't know how he's going to do that)?  I don't know if he has anything else but he has my attention.

    I'm a little skeptical about those (5.00 / 1) (#76)
    by MO Blue on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 06:37:26 PM EST
    provision going into effect the day after he signs the bill.

    Per Rep. Weiner:

    As Rep. Weiner points out, the law would not go into effect until 2013 and then there's five year grace period, so there's already a ten year trigger in the existing bill.
    link


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    Now this was a solid statement (none / 0) (#86)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 06:50:21 PM EST
    I did have, but it wasn't Obama saying it.  He's saying different.  He's promising.  He is the President who will sign this thing....or not....and he is promising.

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    Yes Obama is signing it (5.00 / 1) (#92)
    by MO Blue on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 06:58:01 PM EST
    His signature does not change what is actually written in the legislation. If the legislation does not state that the regulations begin the day after signed into law, his words will not change the law.

    Politicians promise a lot of things.

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    After all this crap (none / 0) (#95)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 07:02:12 PM EST
    and public pain and suffering and loss of polling points and loss of public support...you really think that Obama is going to get up there after announcing that this is THE BIG ONE and lie to us?  I'm jaded, but that is double down jaded :)

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    I would assume that if you leave a job that (none / 0) (#45)
    by steviez314 on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 06:13:22 PM EST
    had coverage, you could continue it under a COBRA like plan (although you pay the premium, at least it's at a group rate).

    If you didn't have insurance, I assume you could enter the insurance exchange and get a group-like or community rated plan.

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    And how many people (5.00 / 3) (#56)
    by cal1942 on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 06:21:07 PM EST
    who lose jobs and were just making it by can afford COBRA?

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    The old Cobra or Obama Cobra? (none / 0) (#65)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 06:26:19 PM EST
    Are they going to be the same?  He is claiming that he's regulating other insurance company aspects the day he signs this.  Just saying, I want questions answered.  He is making promises now.  How many others is he making or are we going to ask him about that he's going to end up making?

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    For starters maybe just a name change - Cobrama (5.00 / 2) (#72)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 06:32:03 PM EST
    "Details" to follow...

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    Wouldn't that just chap wingers :) (none / 0) (#78)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 06:40:33 PM EST
    He's not (5.00 / 4) (#74)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 06:34:19 PM EST
    regulating premiums.  None of the plans on the table regulate premiums.

    Cobra wills till be expensive.

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    I'm cautious too Teresa (none / 0) (#77)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 06:39:44 PM EST
    but I haven't read any place where Obama has said that he won't be regulating insurance premiums.  And frankly I'm shocked tonight that he's already promising to make the insurance companies act appropriately the day he signs the bill.

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    That's where the subsidies come in too. (none / 0) (#73)
    by steviez314 on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 06:34:03 PM EST
    Been trying to tell you (none / 0) (#59)
    by gyrfalcon on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 06:22:36 PM EST
    for weeks these have been part of the plan in almost all the bills.

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    Dear, I knew they were (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 06:28:07 PM EST
    but it wasn't relevant to me because Obama didn't say anything about those regualtions taking affect the day he signed this bill.  He didn't make me that promise after going back on so many others he promised during the election.

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    This just (5.00 / 4) (#51)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 06:18:50 PM EST
    sounds like more warmed over junk that he's said time and again.

    Instead of threatening people he should put together a good bill and get rid of the crap bill.

    So, is Obama announcing an (5.00 / 1) (#96)
    by Anne on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 07:05:07 PM EST
    actual Obama Plan, making his plan the 6th proposal on the table?  And is he also finally staking his presidency on the success or failure of it by implementing it immediately - or is there another shoe to drop, the one that won't see implementation until 2013?

    What simply has me stumped is why he is still determined to fashion a plan that appeals to Republicans - Republicans who have repeatedly said they are determined to sink any Democratic plan for reform?

    I can't watch; I'll read the speech and check in here later for your take on it.

    The impact of the exchanges, allowing individuals (none / 0) (#2)
    by steviez314 on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 05:29:22 PM EST
    to buy insurance as groups should not be understated...I believe group policies are about 20-50% less than individual ones per person.

    Do you know (5.00 / 2) (#80)
    by cal1942 on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 06:43:41 PM EST
    how much group rates are for a decent comprehensive group policy?

    For someone who's lost a job that amount is unaffordable even if food and shelter are sacrificed.

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    Well, he never said Public Option (none / 0) (#8)
    by blogtopus on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 05:37:56 PM EST
    I like that he used the word 'marketplace'. If it means the same thing as a public option, fine with me. If not, well, every person who still isn't able to afford coverage should be encouraged to speak as loud as they want against the Dems who torpedoed this effort. And, of course, vote such opinions.

    I don't think so... (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by lentinel on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 05:56:53 PM EST
    Obama never mentioned a public option or - shiver - "single-payer". "Marketplace" is always used to describe for-profit enterprises competing with each other.

    There is no way that these two terms can mean the same thing.

    I don't see how to read this speech and not come away with the belief that Obama has abandoned a "public option".

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    Did anybody find this ominous? (5.00 / 3) (#36)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 06:05:52 PM EST
    I am not the first President to take up this cause, but I am determined to be the last.

    I found it downright menacing. I take it to mean we'll never see single payer, or a public option, in our lifetime.

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    Nope (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 06:22:04 PM EST
    He's said so many things in the past that didn't come to pass and he's shown very little chutzpah....so NOPE.

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    I just don't like the duder presuming (5.00 / 1) (#68)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 06:28:33 PM EST
    to doom our future.

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    According to Axelrod just (5.00 / 2) (#71)
    by gyrfalcon on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 06:31:42 PM EST
    now on MSNBC, in response to an assertion that the PO is now dead, "I wouldn't assume that the final bill won't include a PO as part of the insurance exchange."  He also said O will push for it in the speech.

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    That's interesting (5.00 / 3) (#85)
    by shoephone on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 06:49:27 PM EST
    because the NYTimes just posted a headline on the front page, "In Speech, Obama Will Not Insist on Public Option". And Gibbs has been confirming that all day with his non-answer answers.

    This WH is very confused. Inexperience leads to this kind of bungling on messaging.

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    Mixed messages/conflicting messages (none / 0) (#97)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 07:12:28 PM EST
    serve a purpose. It's a strategy that can be used to generate uncertainty, confusion, despair, self-doubt - and a paralyzing fear that renders many people helpless and incapable of action.

    Not that our politicians would want the public to become brain-addled about the public option or anything.

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    How is that inconsistent (none / 0) (#98)
    by gyrfalcon on Thu Sep 10, 2009 at 12:03:04 AM EST
    with what Axelrod just said?

    On your general point, though, of course I agree.  The messaging has been a disaster.

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    These are excerpts, not the whole thing (none / 0) (#53)
    by gyrfalcon on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 06:20:28 PM EST
    Marketplace (5.00 / 3) (#60)
    by cal1942 on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 06:22:49 PM EST
    It's the neoliberal love affair with the marketplace.

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    There is a palce for the marketplace (5.00 / 2) (#79)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 06:40:45 PM EST
    in the health care 'debate' - it's a place where the sun don't shine - and I wish somebody would put it there once and for all.

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    A nod to Hillary (none / 0) (#29)
    by s5 on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 05:59:25 PM EST
    "It's a plan that incorporates ideas from Senators and Congressmen; from Democrats and Republicans - and yes, from some of my opponents in both the primary and general election."

    Now who could that prominent opponent from the primary election be?

    I feel compelled to note (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by Steve M on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 06:11:59 PM EST
    that it is holy writ among Edwards supporters that Hillary's health care plan was a 100% ripoff of his!

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    They're right (none / 0) (#82)
    by cal1942 on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 06:46:07 PM EST
    if that actually means anything.

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    John Edwards, iirc, (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by Spamlet on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 06:14:38 PM EST
    was the first to propose what we are now calling a public option.

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    public option is dead (none / 0) (#30)
    by mikeel on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 05:59:49 PM EST
    If it's not mentioned, it's dead.

    These are excerpts! (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by s5 on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 06:03:56 PM EST
    Nothing about (none / 0) (#41)
    by Spamlet on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 06:11:26 PM EST
    recision? As for the "exchange" and the "marketplace," will there be federal regulation to protect us from getting reamed in our home state if we find an affordable plan that is headquartered out of state?

    As one big group, these customers will have greater leverage to bargain with the insurance companies for better prices and quality coverage.

    Call me unreasonable, but that just p!sses me off. I don't want to "bargain" at all with bloodsucking, rapacious lords of greed about whether my loved ones and I get the health care we need.

    I will not waste time with those who have made the calculation that it's better politics to kill this plan than improve it.

    And if Obama has made the calculation that it's better politics to kill any chance of real reform by passing and signing this plan, then maybe the voters won't bother to waste any more time with him.

    Rescission (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by Steve M on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 06:13:07 PM EST
    As soon as I sign this bill, it will be against the law for insurance companies to drop your coverage when you get sick or water it down when you need it most.

    I think that is what he is referring to here.  Rescission is kind of a technical term that the audience wouldn't necessarily recognize.

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    Yes, I saw that (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by Spamlet on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 06:23:34 PM EST
    As soon as I sign this bill, it will be against the law for insurance companies to drop your coverage when you get sick or water it down when you need it most.

    But I didn't trust it.

    What about after I've been sick and have recovered? Can they drop my coverage then? Maybe that would be taken care of by prohibiting refusal of coverage for preexisting conditions.

    As for "when you need it most," who decides when that is?

    I've learned to listen very closely, in paranoid fashion, to what Obama says and to weigh every word.

    And isn't it odd that Webster's gives both "recision" and "rescission" as the primary spelling for the same word? I prefer "rescission" myself.

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    Rescission? (none / 0) (#63)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 06:24:51 PM EST
    that's one way to avoid recidivism. i.e. if you revoke it, they can't say you broke it. Works for health care and torture too.

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    He said cap on out of pocket expenses (none / 0) (#46)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 06:14:37 PM EST
    aren't premiums those too?

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    I want to know the caps on deductibles (5.00 / 3) (#55)
    by shoephone on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 06:20:40 PM EST
    Especially for self-employed business owners. It's a very sore point with me.

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    Should be (5.00 / 2) (#62)
    by gyrfalcon on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 06:24:18 PM EST
    but in this context, I think that phrase doesn't include premiums.

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    Well then I want that clarification from him. (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 06:29:28 PM EST
    I'm not playing guessing game.  I'm not Ezra :)

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    No (5.00 / 1) (#70)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 06:30:06 PM EST
    No. Out of pocket expenses (in current insurance lingo) are expenses EXCLUDING premiums.  Premiums are separate from out of pocket expenses.

    If out of pocket max's are capped, insurance companies will simply increase premiums.  This is why a ROBUST public option is so important.  Its purpose would be to compete for premiums.

    Also, see Digby on why multi-state insurance exchanges are a bad idea.

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    Well, I get a lot more meaningful (none / 0) (#75)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 06:36:28 PM EST
    information when I ask the person speaking to define their words and always assume that wording usually means what I think it means until I'm told NO.  Obama is making the promises.  He'd better bring his lawyer when he starts promising me now because he isn't very trustworthy.  Sort of conartistish.  If he really wants me to start thinking good things about him again that would be part of good things.

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    Tracy (5.00 / 1) (#93)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 06:59:51 PM EST
    if Obama was capping premiums, there would be little reason for all of this discussion about the public option.  The idea of the public option is to control premiums.

    Obama is using the term "out of pocket maximum".  If you look at any definition of out of pocket maximum, it includes coinsurance, ONLY SOMETIMES deductibles and does not include either copays or premiums.

    Unless Obama is writing a whole new definition of out of pocket maximum, he's talking about the insurance company version of it.

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